Massimo Bacigalupo, in his house in Rapallo, talks about his cinema, which passed through the festivals of the FEDIC circles and then in the lively and active Rome at the turn of the 1960s and 1970s. Massimo talks about his films and recalls his encounters with Mekas and Markopoulos, the fundamental one with Tonino De Bernardi, Pia Epremian and the Turin group, the vicissitudes of independent cinema in Italy and the relationship with the USA.